Sunday, the final day of the massive Mike Kelley MoMA PS1 retrospective, was a day to contemplate the late artist’s life and work. More than 3,000 museumgoers came to glimpse the bright clusters of stuffed animals hanging in “Deodorized Central Mass With Satellites” (1991/1999) or the glass Kryptonian mini-cities of his Kandors one last time, despite the long lines that formed outside the galleries’ doors. People filled the hallways, the galleries, and even the tiny auditorium, where a panel of art academics discussed Kelley’s relationship with class, the urban fabric of Detroit, and counter-culture, as well as the possible influence the Palladian architecture of his childhood home had on his birdhouses.
In the crowded halls, we ran into Vito Acconci, who recalled his own brief brushes with Kelley’s work. “He and Paul McCarthy had these students do these remakes of videotapes of mine,” he told ARTINFO. “They were all done by relatively beautiful women, and I don’t know if I ever knew exactly what to make of them. I remember showing them to a class of mine once and they didn’t get it. I don’t know if I got it either.”
Inside the VW Dome in PS1’s courtyard, we watched two longtime friends of Kelley’s — former Sonic Youth front-woman Kim Gordon and Berlin-based painter and performance artist Jutta Koether— send off the retrospective in their own discordant, punk-rock way. For just under an hour, they recreated tracks from Kelley’s own 1996 “Poetics” album, which consists of shrill cacophonies, crunching, distorted guitar riffs, relentlessly pulsing bass lines, the tinging of a drum kit being struck by the neck of Gordon’s guitar, and a spectrum of other mystery sounds not unlike those in the exhibition, the source of which would be difficult to name.
Taking occasional breaks from the noise, Gordon and Koether periodically donned their glasses to read (almost in unison) lines from a fax of Kelley’s labeled “PSY-CHIC,” copies of which Koether eventually threw into the crowd, or role-play an interview Kelley had conducted with Gordon in 1991 (Gordon playing Kelley with a throaty, almost Jack Nicholson-like inflection, Koether playing Gordon with the periodic giggles of a Valley girl) that focused on Gordon’s own transformation from an artist-intellect to what Kelley referred to as “the steamy front-girl” of Sonic Youth.
“He always put in the forefront the vulnerability of the artist as a performer,” Koether told ARTINFO, emphasizing the life-changing parallels between the visual arts and music that she, Kelley, and Gordon shared. “The moment you put something out there, it’s not just an artwork, but your whole history, your body, your persona.”
Backstage before the performance, Gordon and Koether discussed with us their take on the exhibition, the personal and professional influences Kelley had on their lives, and the fundamental truths of both art and rock-and-roll.
What are we about to see in your performance and how does it honor Mike Kelly? How is it appropriate for sending off his exhibition?
Kim Gordon: There’s a certain vaudevillian aspect to it. We chose this interview Mike did with me as a text. It’s kind of recycling the idea, playing off this quote of his about sloppy seconds, inverting what it was used for and putting it into another context.
Jutta Koether: It’s an homage to him in a way so far that we’re using some of his materials that he co-produced, meaning parts of his music, his “Poetics,” this interview, parts of our own history with Mike as a fellow artist, a colleague, and friend. It relates performance to audiences in general. It’s part of our shared history and also of conceptually thinking through what makes sense with an offer like this. You wouldn’t just come in here and do whatever you “normally do,” if there’s such a thing. Basically we chose a dialogical form because it is the underlying form in Mike’s work. It really is about communication and communication problems, weird readings and misreadings of culture.
Kim, you have so many shared associations with Mike Kelley — artist-as-musician, counter-culture, punk rock, feminism. You’ve collaborated and you’re well-known longtime friends, but do you see traces of each other’s influence in your respective work?
KG: I guess, yeah, just growing up in the same time period in the ’60s and ’70s and kind of inheriting, or being faced with, this mantle of conceptual art and very formal, minimalist, pure kind of thinking that’s almost an extension of modernism, and having to deal with that in different ways. That’s on one level. When I was in this noise garage band when I was in art school, we played at the Ann Arbor Film Festival. Mike claims that he saw us. He said that it inspired him to start a noise garage band, and when he said that, I asked, “So is that what we were doing?” [Laughs.] But I didn’t meet him then. It was this weird coincidence.
JK: An important thing for both of us is Mike’s interest in art, this duality that it follows a very strict, almost internal logic. It owes a lot to a formalist history, and it’s acknowledging that or always mining that for various reasons. It’s part of this fundamental art education, but at the same time, he always put in the forefront the vulnerability of the artist as a performer. That starts with de la Croix or the consciousness that the moment you put something out there, it’s not just an artwork, but your whole history, your body, your persona. You start to act — you start finding vehicles, ways of dealing with that. You have a mask, or you employ the register of a theatrical sort of existence to deal with that. Of course, women in public culture, popular culture have dealt with that. In music, singers have always dealt with that. Also, in visual arts. It’s that kind of notion that it’s not just about the artwork. It’s not just that piece floating on, it’s the whole operating system.
You mentioned these different levels of your relationship with Mike Kelley — as a fellow artist, as a colleague, and ultimately as a friend. What was his personal influence in your life? How did you meet?
KG: I met him at a lecture Dan Graham was giving at Cal Arts. They were arguing about punk rock and who started it.
Did you weigh in?
KG: [Laughs.] I didn’t, but I was fascinated. I talked to Mike and we became friends after that.
JK: I think I knew about his work before I actually knew him. It was through art, of course, him being [in Cologne] for a project or something, and I kept seeing him. There was only a certain amount of people who were interested in this cross-section of music culture and counter-culture and politics and art. If you happened to be one of those people who were, in Mike’s case, writing about it, it was natural and almost inevitable that you would meet these certain people. I met other people, too, but there was not such a shared interest. There were other cultural critics, but without Mike’s sort of knowledge and interest. He was also generous in sharing his materials and information. He had this other level of being an artist that wasn’t just, “I’m an artist, here’s my thing, write about it.” It was a different type of interaction. It had a quasi-underground scholar kind of vibe. I remember evenings, long, long nights, where he was just going on and on, whatever — the history of some music movement of the ’60s. Sun Ra was one of the topics he go on about forever in detail.
KG: But he also brought this sort of Iggy Pop rock-and-roll sense to that. Whether it was a class thing, you never got the sense that Mike was an academic of any kind.
We’re now at the end of an enormous show devoted to Kelley’s work. Were there pieces that have had particular significance for you? I noticed that you’re projecting Kandors above you on stage.
JK: I have to say, I know most of his work. With the exception of the really early ones, I saw them while they were happening. To see this grand finale is really great, much better than in Amsterdam [at the Stedelijk Museum]. The place is perfect, the different rooms, the time you can spend. The structure really makes you aware of how important that this art is presented not as a truncated “Best Of.” It’s so generous, space-wise.
Was it much more contained in the Stedelijk Museum?
JK: Yes. It really helps the people to understand — I’ve been here with different people of very different backgrounds, and it’s very interesting to see how they can relate to something when they have the time and space to do it. The Kandor work — I really didn’t get the Kandor work as much as other works. This is from the last phase of Mike’s where he was just in this other zone with his work. Really, I couldn’t relate to it, but here in the place, somehow I think this was the first time I can actually see it and try to understand what it’s about. We talked about what to use. I thought maybe that would be nice — almost two Manson dolls with the tubes, the red and the blue.
KG: I first saw the show at Gagosian in L.A., and there was other stuff in there, so much that I couldn’t really focus on them. The presentation wasn’t nearly as… Here, it’s incredible.